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		By: Rehashed Conspiracy Theories &#8211; My Minds Eye		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-92</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] know, present them in a scandalous way and then claim the Church is hiding it from us.&#8221;   http://mormonchallenges.org/conceptual-principles-2/   The leaders of the LDS Church have published numerous works on the history of the Church which [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] know, present them in a scandalous way and then claim the Church is hiding it from us.&#8221;   <a href="http://mormonchallenges.org/conceptual-principles-2/" rel="ugc">http://mormonchallenges.org/conceptual-principles-2/</a>   The leaders of the LDS Church have published numerous works on the history of the Church which [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: e.g.g.		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-91</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2015 02:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not every Egyptologist has denounced the Book of Abraham.   The ones who looked at what little is left of the original don&#039;t even agree amongst themselves.   Same with Egyptology in general.....there are always disagreements about translations, dating, who a mummy really was, what the culture really was like, dates, falsifying of finds and information, forgeries, and on and on.  This goes on in ALL fields of research .....science, biology, medicine, etc.   The study of dinosaurs is a good example where there is always one side bashing the other side.  There is always one camp against another camp, always infighting, jealousy, with holding of new discoveries and new information, and even falsifying data and other things.   So to say all Egyptologists debunk the Book of Abraham is not impressive and not proof of anything.   There is the fact that the ones who have looked at what little exists have a bias against the LDS, and if just one agreed with what JS said it was  would be ruinous to the career, so that is reason enough to say JS was wrong.
Hugh Nibley, LDS, was the first to discover it was a book of Breathings and the church published this information.

Margaret Barker, an English scholar, is the rare scholar who has studied LDS doctrine and riruals.  She has taken a beating for it, and some  people won&#039;t read her work just because she studied LDS claims and rituals.  I read on a Catholic blog a reader who asked if he should read a certain book of Barker&#039;s and was told NO because she has studied Mormonism and Mormons like her and she has spoken at BYU and with Mormon scholars.    How idiotic, ignorant, bigoted, hateful, and just plain stupid, to ignore good scholarship just because the scholar objectively and without bias studied Mormon rituals and doctrine.......so that automatically disqualifies Barker from being a respectable, qualified, knowledgeable, reputable scholar.  These idiots amongst others who are LDS critics, do the very thing they claim the LDS do.

As far as the mental gymnastics Mormons are accused of doing......the same could be said of any religion.  The critics have a double standard they conveniently ignore.   They can dish it out but can&#039;t take it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not every Egyptologist has denounced the Book of Abraham.   The ones who looked at what little is left of the original don&#8217;t even agree amongst themselves.   Same with Egyptology in general&#8230;..there are always disagreements about translations, dating, who a mummy really was, what the culture really was like, dates, falsifying of finds and information, forgeries, and on and on.  This goes on in ALL fields of research &#8230;..science, biology, medicine, etc.   The study of dinosaurs is a good example where there is always one side bashing the other side.  There is always one camp against another camp, always infighting, jealousy, with holding of new discoveries and new information, and even falsifying data and other things.   So to say all Egyptologists debunk the Book of Abraham is not impressive and not proof of anything.   There is the fact that the ones who have looked at what little exists have a bias against the LDS, and if just one agreed with what JS said it was  would be ruinous to the career, so that is reason enough to say JS was wrong.<br />
Hugh Nibley, LDS, was the first to discover it was a book of Breathings and the church published this information.</p>
<p>Margaret Barker, an English scholar, is the rare scholar who has studied LDS doctrine and riruals.  She has taken a beating for it, and some  people won&#8217;t read her work just because she studied LDS claims and rituals.  I read on a Catholic blog a reader who asked if he should read a certain book of Barker&#8217;s and was told NO because she has studied Mormonism and Mormons like her and she has spoken at BYU and with Mormon scholars.    How idiotic, ignorant, bigoted, hateful, and just plain stupid, to ignore good scholarship just because the scholar objectively and without bias studied Mormon rituals and doctrine&#8230;&#8230;.so that automatically disqualifies Barker from being a respectable, qualified, knowledgeable, reputable scholar.  These idiots amongst others who are LDS critics, do the very thing they claim the LDS do.</p>
<p>As far as the mental gymnastics Mormons are accused of doing&#8230;&#8230;the same could be said of any religion.  The critics have a double standard they conveniently ignore.   They can dish it out but can&#8217;t take it.</p>
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		By: MC		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-90</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 23:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-84&quot;&gt;Adam Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

It turns out that those of us who trust Kerry Muhlestein are not nearly as gullible as you. I happen to know first hand that the Egyptian Antiquities Ministry investigated the false claims of some newspapers and found it to be misinformation. The dig Kerry is involved with has their blessing and continues. It shows to what length you will go to to justify your non-testimony.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-84">Adam Smith</a>.</p>
<p>It turns out that those of us who trust Kerry Muhlestein are not nearly as gullible as you. I happen to know first hand that the Egyptian Antiquities Ministry investigated the false claims of some newspapers and found it to be misinformation. The dig Kerry is involved with has their blessing and continues. It shows to what length you will go to to justify your non-testimony.</p>
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		By: MC		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-89</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 23:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-80&quot;&gt;Bing&lt;/a&gt;.

You need to check your sources better, Bing. I have first hand information that the Egyptian Antiquities Ministry investigated the false reports from some newspapers and concluded that they reported misinformation. The excavation continues and was not shut down. The fact that such misinformation is reported, spread and believed so easily is proof that Mormons are not the only ones who have an agenda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-80">Bing</a>.</p>
<p>You need to check your sources better, Bing. I have first hand information that the Egyptian Antiquities Ministry investigated the false reports from some newspapers and concluded that they reported misinformation. The excavation continues and was not shut down. The fact that such misinformation is reported, spread and believed so easily is proof that Mormons are not the only ones who have an agenda.</p>
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		By: AlanB		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-88</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 20:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-82&quot;&gt;Jim&lt;/a&gt;.

Jim, I am not aware of any church general authority who is teaching or has taught any lies or false doctrine knowingly. Perhaps you could share an example.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-82">Jim</a>.</p>
<p>Jim, I am not aware of any church general authority who is teaching or has taught any lies or false doctrine knowingly. Perhaps you could share an example.</p>
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		By: AlanB		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-87</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 20:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-79&quot;&gt;John Williams&lt;/a&gt;.

John, thanks for your comment. The title was not meant to infer what you are taking from it. The title is meant to ask if Mormons can be honest and still believe. This comes from many anti and ex-Mormons who claim that it is indeed impossible for anyone who knows of these challenges to remain in the church and still be honest. Nothing in this title or article is intended to question in any way the honesty of those who leave.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-79">John Williams</a>.</p>
<p>John, thanks for your comment. The title was not meant to infer what you are taking from it. The title is meant to ask if Mormons can be honest and still believe. This comes from many anti and ex-Mormons who claim that it is indeed impossible for anyone who knows of these challenges to remain in the church and still be honest. Nothing in this title or article is intended to question in any way the honesty of those who leave.</p>
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		By: AlanB		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-86</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 20:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-85&quot;&gt;mj&lt;/a&gt;.

Flackerman is no Egyptologist and the actual Egyptologists he quotes are making assumptions without any acquaintance with the findings of LDS Egyptologists in the last decade. They are simply uninformed on this specific branch of Egyptology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-85">mj</a>.</p>
<p>Flackerman is no Egyptologist and the actual Egyptologists he quotes are making assumptions without any acquaintance with the findings of LDS Egyptologists in the last decade. They are simply uninformed on this specific branch of Egyptology.</p>
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		By: mj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2015 04:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-76&quot;&gt;MC&lt;/a&gt;.

There are some responses to Dr. Muhlestein&#039;s findings here from actual egyptologists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KLa8HYsfpM]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-76">MC</a>.</p>
<p>There are some responses to Dr. Muhlestein&#8217;s findings here from actual egyptologists:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KLa8HYsfpM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KLa8HYsfpM</a></p>
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		By: Adam Smith		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-84</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-70&quot;&gt;alanb&lt;/a&gt;.

Muhlestein?  The guy who got kicked out of Egypt for misrepresenting his findings?  That&#039;s your source to save your testimony?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-70">alanb</a>.</p>
<p>Muhlestein?  The guy who got kicked out of Egypt for misrepresenting his findings?  That&#8217;s your source to save your testimony?</p>
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		By: Elizabeth		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2014/04/03/conceptual-principles-2/#comment-83</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elizabeth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fair. I would like to issue a challenge to all members struggling with this. Read the BoM or listen to the audio book straight through. Marathon it the way you would would with Star Trek or Harry Potter or any other book you are a fan of. It should not take you more than a week (maybe two) to get through the whole thing. Every time you take a break, pray about it. Ask the Holy Ghost. Really ask the spirit real questions and listen to the answers you receive. Don&#039;t try to tell God what the answer is supposed to be, its not really asking if only one answer is allowed. Ask more questions than just &quot;is it true?&quot; Ask &quot;who wrote this?&quot; Ask  &quot; what spirit inspired this part?&quot; and &quot;which spirit inspired that part?&quot; Then ask &quot;what should I do with this information?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair. I would like to issue a challenge to all members struggling with this. Read the BoM or listen to the audio book straight through. Marathon it the way you would would with Star Trek or Harry Potter or any other book you are a fan of. It should not take you more than a week (maybe two) to get through the whole thing. Every time you take a break, pray about it. Ask the Holy Ghost. Really ask the spirit real questions and listen to the answers you receive. Don&#8217;t try to tell God what the answer is supposed to be, its not really asking if only one answer is allowed. Ask more questions than just &#8220;is it true?&#8221; Ask &#8220;who wrote this?&#8221; Ask  &#8221; what spirit inspired this part?&#8221; and &#8220;which spirit inspired that part?&#8221; Then ask &#8220;what should I do with this information?&#8221;</p>
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