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	Comments on: Have Egyptologists Found Abraham in the Papyri? Which Papyri?	</title>
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		By: e.g.g.		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-32</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[In Egyptology one symbol can have many different meanings depending on the context, how it is used.

I live near an Apache Native American reservation.   I found out that one word has many meanings and the word is pronounced differently to convey which meaning is being used.

For example ( I am using a made up word):    Ya Tah Hey.
If pronounced ya TAH hey versus
ya tah HEY it means completely two different things.

The Native Americans did not have words for many things because they had never seen them or the objects disappeared and the word went out of use, as in all languages,  even today.   That is why the Navajo Code Talkers were so successful.   When I hear Apaches talk in Apache an English word is always used because there is no Apache word for it.
The Book of Revelation is a good example.   There were no words for some of the things that were seen in visions.

Egyptologists do not know everything, no field of study knows everything.

We even do not have a complete, accurate understanding of history.   Pieces are still missing and most likely will never be found.  Two people witnessing the same event will tell it differently.  Historians fill in the missing pieces with conjecture, their ideas, what others have said or imagined, and so forth.  Pieces together as best as possible.     People today think we know everything about everything.      The thing is.....we don&#039;t know what we don&#039;t know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Egyptology one symbol can have many different meanings depending on the context, how it is used.</p>
<p>I live near an Apache Native American reservation.   I found out that one word has many meanings and the word is pronounced differently to convey which meaning is being used.</p>
<p>For example ( I am using a made up word):    Ya Tah Hey.<br />
If pronounced ya TAH hey versus<br />
ya tah HEY it means completely two different things.</p>
<p>The Native Americans did not have words for many things because they had never seen them or the objects disappeared and the word went out of use, as in all languages,  even today.   That is why the Navajo Code Talkers were so successful.   When I hear Apaches talk in Apache an English word is always used because there is no Apache word for it.<br />
The Book of Revelation is a good example.   There were no words for some of the things that were seen in visions.</p>
<p>Egyptologists do not know everything, no field of study knows everything.</p>
<p>We even do not have a complete, accurate understanding of history.   Pieces are still missing and most likely will never be found.  Two people witnessing the same event will tell it differently.  Historians fill in the missing pieces with conjecture, their ideas, what others have said or imagined, and so forth.  Pieces together as best as possible.     People today think we know everything about everything.      The thing is&#8230;..we don&#8217;t know what we don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		By: The Army Of Helaman &#8211; Do Rediscovered Papyrus Disprove The Book Of Abraham? No		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Army Of Helaman &#8211; Do Rediscovered Papyrus Disprove The Book Of Abraham? No]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] witnesses also claimed a different kind of scroll. Lucy Smith &#8220;opened a long roll of manuscript, saying it was [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] witnesses also claimed a different kind of scroll. Lucy Smith &#8220;opened a long roll of manuscript, saying it was [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: CABE		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-30</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2015 05:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When Joseph refers to the inscriptions above the characters in Facsimile 3, he appears to be translating Egyptian. He seemingly misidentifies Ma&#039;at, Isis, Anubis, etc. Do you know if there are any depictions of this in any Egyptian writings/art, specifically where the inscription doesn&#039;t match the corresponding character? It would be of much interest to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Joseph refers to the inscriptions above the characters in Facsimile 3, he appears to be translating Egyptian. He seemingly misidentifies Ma&#8217;at, Isis, Anubis, etc. Do you know if there are any depictions of this in any Egyptian writings/art, specifically where the inscription doesn&#8217;t match the corresponding character? It would be of much interest to me.</p>
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		By: AlanB		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-29</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 20:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-28&quot;&gt;Chava Novak&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m sure that might assist you with your cognitive dissonance, but such a statement would be the biggest lie of all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-28">Chava Novak</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that might assist you with your cognitive dissonance, but such a statement would be the biggest lie of all.</p>
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		By: Chava Novak		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-28</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It would be so refreshing if someone from the LDS church would just come out and say, yes, it is a lie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be so refreshing if someone from the LDS church would just come out and say, yes, it is a lie.</p>
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		By: Merrick Jones		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-27</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2015 21:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is awesome! I would also love to see a video from someone who is not from BYU or otherwise involved with the LDS church who agrees with Kerry! :) It would do a great deal to help me in my struggles with this topic. Thank you so much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is awesome! I would also love to see a video from someone who is not from BYU or otherwise involved with the LDS church who agrees with Kerry! 🙂 It would do a great deal to help me in my struggles with this topic. Thank you so much.</p>
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		By: alanb		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-26</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 00:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-25&quot;&gt;Lukas Olson&lt;/a&gt;.

Here is a good article that discusses the eyewitnesses of the papyri.
http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1092&#038;index=8

Recently, Matt Roper with the Maxwell Institute has discovered several more new witness statements in his research. I don&#039;t think they have been published yet. Hopefully they will be presented at the Fair Conference in August.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-25">Lukas Olson</a>.</p>
<p>Here is a good article that discusses the eyewitnesses of the papyri.<br />
<a href="http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1092&#038;index=8" rel="nofollow ugc">http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1092&#038;index=8</a></p>
<p>Recently, Matt Roper with the Maxwell Institute has discovered several more new witness statements in his research. I don&#8217;t think they have been published yet. Hopefully they will be presented at the Fair Conference in August.</p>
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		By: Lukas Olson		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-25</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are the three eye witness accounts you&#039;ve shown above the complete list of accounts? If there are more, can you provide them, along with the associated source? Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the three eye witness accounts you&#8217;ve shown above the complete list of accounts? If there are more, can you provide them, along with the associated source? Thanks!</p>
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		By: alanb		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-24</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-23&quot;&gt;Alex&lt;/a&gt;.

This is a good question, but after carefully analyzing the details there are several possible explanations for the Egyptian characters in the margins of the English, not of which are without problems. The way you present it misses problems with that assumption.The biggest problem is that we just don&#039;t have much information about what they were attempting or why. Much research and study still needs to be done. Here are two links to the possible explanations that have thus far been put forth. http://mormonchallenges.org/joseph-smiths-attempt-at-an-egyptian-grammar-book-of-abraham-challenge-4/
http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Joseph_Smith_Papyri/Kirtland_Egyptian_Papers/Historical_LDS_approaches]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-23">Alex</a>.</p>
<p>This is a good question, but after carefully analyzing the details there are several possible explanations for the Egyptian characters in the margins of the English, not of which are without problems. The way you present it misses problems with that assumption.The biggest problem is that we just don&#8217;t have much information about what they were attempting or why. Much research and study still needs to be done. Here are two links to the possible explanations that have thus far been put forth. <a href="http://mormonchallenges.org/joseph-smiths-attempt-at-an-egyptian-grammar-book-of-abraham-challenge-4/" rel="ugc">http://mormonchallenges.org/joseph-smiths-attempt-at-an-egyptian-grammar-book-of-abraham-challenge-4/</a><br />
<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Joseph_Smith_Papyri/Kirtland_Egyptian_Papers/Historical_LDS_approaches" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Joseph_Smith_Papyri/Kirtland_Egyptian_Papers/Historical_LDS_approaches</a></p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
		<link>https://mormonchallenges.org/2013/02/11/abraham-papyri-found/#comment-23</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2014 20:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just so I understand, let me restate what I see as the main point here.

The article states the characters around the &quot;Sacrifice of Abraham&quot; vignette are not necessarily related to it. This means we can&#039;t assume those characters are the source of the Book of Abraham.

What about the fact that copies of the Abraham manuscript, as written by Joseph&#039;s scribes, place Egyptian characters in the margin and these characters correspond to characters found in the papyrus? In other words, the beginning of the Book of Abraham corresponds to the beginning of the papyrus, starting after the first vignette, character for character.

How does this fact not show that the found papyrus was the source for the Book of Abraham?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so I understand, let me restate what I see as the main point here.</p>
<p>The article states the characters around the &#8220;Sacrifice of Abraham&#8221; vignette are not necessarily related to it. This means we can&#8217;t assume those characters are the source of the Book of Abraham.</p>
<p>What about the fact that copies of the Abraham manuscript, as written by Joseph&#8217;s scribes, place Egyptian characters in the margin and these characters correspond to characters found in the papyrus? In other words, the beginning of the Book of Abraham corresponds to the beginning of the papyrus, starting after the first vignette, character for character.</p>
<p>How does this fact not show that the found papyrus was the source for the Book of Abraham?</p>
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